Guest Shockwave Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 All of your games fail compared to this epicness! http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=NoSmHYH02nk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest silversurfer092 Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 I didn't know Rob Liefeld worked on that game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Shockwave Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 From my knowledge he didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest silversurfer092 Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 From my knowledge he didn't. It was a joke because the pic of the unplayed link makes Cable look like he was drawn by Rob LIefeld. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Shockwave Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 It was a joke because the pic of the unplayed link makes Cable look like he was drawn by Rob LIefeld.Couldn't tell. But I think that design works more when looking at other games like Gears of War for his character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ruinus Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 Speaking of Mass Effect 3, the ending is the only reason I haven't played that game, even though it's literally a desk away from me. I also haven't played Prototype 2 because they completely killed the Alex Mercer characters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jason Redfield Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 Speaking of Mass Effect 3, the ending is the only reason I haven't played that game, even though it's literally a desk away from me. Well, it's a shame because the 98% of the game leading up to the ending is more or less amazing. Just crazy amounts of fun. Yet it all gets ruined by about fifteen minutes of sheer stupidity at the very tail end of the game. It's really up to you. I would recommend it simply because of how great the rest is; just be ready for disappointment is all. But then again, your mileage may vary. The ending was okay with some (including my brother), so you never know. Regardless, the multiplayer is likewise very worthy of your attention. It's a lot of fun, especially if you're playing with friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest force_echo Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 What do you mean? I just don't see the point of it. I know the way the game ends and it was terrible. Normally I'd replay a Bioware title, but knowing what's in store completely ruins the entire prospect of replaying it, let alone spending money on DLC.Well, I don't understand the problem with the ending first of all. Second of all, it sucks that you let a 5 minute ending sour a 100 hour experience, which I also don't understand, but whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jason Redfield Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 Well, I don't understand the problem with the ending first of all. Second of all, it sucks that you let a 5 minute ending sour a 100 hour experience, which I also don't understand, but whatever. It was a terrible ending for an epic saga. It had three endings, all of which for most intents and purposes were identical. It gave zero closure. The vast majority of your previous choices from other games mattered for nothing... plus, the introduction of the Star Child in the last five minutes was silly. It was just weak and out left field. There's a reason people boycotted the game for its ending. It made me feel like all that time I'd spent playing the previous two was wasted. Well, not entirely, but you know what I mean. A solid ending is one of the most crucial things in a story. Yes, because the ending ties it all together. A great story with a crappy resolution generally isn't a great story overall. A solid ending is just too important. The gameplay was fine, most of the story leading up to the end ranged from decent to fricking amazing. Also, why are you coming off all personally offended by my opinion on the game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest force_echo Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 How am I coming off personally offended? I don't really give a damn whether you like the game or not, I liked it. Like I said, I don't understand, but whatever. Identical? Except for the fact that they changed the entire galaxy in completely different, cataclysmic ways? What are you talking about your previous choices? Your previous choices got you up to that point, how far left field would it be to throw in a slideshow of all of the choices you made in the middle of the ending? Oh wait, they did that. And how was the Star Child weak and left field? I finished the game when the EC came out btw, I never played the original ending, so this is based on the EC ending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 I think it's mainly to do with the promised endeavor that they repeatedly put across in the series that would eventually lead up to the finale, in the sense that every choice you made, large or minor, would have an impact on the ending overall. Along the lines that there was a significant variation of endings for the finale of ME3 dependent on all the choices undertaken or not, and I guess the disappointment falls to that the few endings they delivered were very similar overall with one or two distinct differences that doesn't really make people happy in the long run, even with the modifications they released in response to the original endings. A slideshow of your choices doesn't really show a lot other than hey, you made these choices, what we really want see are the impacts overall carried from these choices, not just some generalized impact that covers the majority of them, so like perhaps short stories for each of these or so as a final might have been nice so if they couldn't use visual cinematic, least they got it done with a display of text. It's more about the closure on everything you've done over the course of three games I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ND7 Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 All this Mass Effect talk reminds me of the fact that I'm still not even halfway through Mass Effect TWO. *Sigh* Meh, I'll finish it someday. Right after Bioshock:Infinite is beaten when I buy it(When it comes out of course hehe) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jason Redfield Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 How am I coming off personally offended? I don't really give a damn whether you like the game or not, I liked it. Like I said, I don't understand, but whatever. Identical? Except for the fact that they changed the entire galaxy in completely different, cataclysmic ways? What are you talking about your previous choices? Your previous choices got you up to that point, how far left field would it be to throw in a slideshow of all of the choices you made in the middle of the ending? Oh wait, they did that. And how was the Star Child weak and left field? I finished the game when the EC came out btw, I never played the original ending, so this is based on the EC ending. Just saying, your tone comes off a bit angry although I can't fathom why you would be. You liked the game, good for you. I was simply explaining why I had issues with it, or part of it at any rate. Jaeger pretty much covered it. Those endings didn't have that much separating them before the EC; I shit you not when I say the only visible differences were more or less different colors to the "SPACE MAGICZ" beam. Those previous choices contributed to a little bar that you monitored as you went along. Whoopie. Compared to the world-shattering differences Bioware promised depending on your previous choices, it was kind of a letdown. The Star Child and blatant space magic changed the entire tone of the series. The series was never "realistic" but didn't make too many concessions for space magic and the like. It was decently grounded in reality compared to other genres and that worked for it. But then Magic Space Messiah appears to solve all of the galaxy's problems (read: not really). Also, the whole crux of why the Reapers were doing what they were doing was silly. In the first game, it was simply that they were an Eldritch-type collective whose motives mere mortals couldn't even begin to fathom. And you know what? I was OK with that. ME2 implied some ulterior motives and I was intrigued. As ME3 went along, it hinted more and more at revealing some grand scheme behind the Reapers' continued exterminations. I was excited. Then, last few minutes, "Oh, uh, I kinda made the Reapers because organics and robots can't get along so I figured more robots killing more organics would totally be the solution. So... yeah. MAKE YOUR DECISION, SHEPARD." It was just silly, had no depth to it, and just overall a major letdown. Seriously; you enjoyed the game, more power to you. I'm sincerely glad. But don't treat me like I'm a silly, silly person for having a different opinion. This guy puts it much better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MlatxLP-xs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 Holy frick, I just realized I rambled on in some sentences of my post there e.e Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest force_echo Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 I think it's mainly to do with the promised endeavor that they repeatedly put across in the series that would eventually lead up to the finale, in the sense that every choice you made, large or minor, would have an impact on the ending overall. Along the lines that there was a significant variation of endings for the finale of ME3 dependent on all the choices undertaken or not, and I guess the disappointment falls to that the few endings they delivered were very similar overall with one or two distinct differences that doesn't really make people happy in the long run, even with the modifications they released in response to the original endings. A slideshow of your choices doesn't really show a lot other than hey, you made these choices, what we really want see are the impacts overall carried from these choices, not just some generalized impact that covers the majority of them, so like perhaps short stories for each of these or so as a final might have been nice so if they couldn't use visual cinematic, least they got it done with a display of text. It's more about the closure on everything you've done over the course of three games I guess.That's almost functionally impossible. You made like 300 choices throughout the entire series. Hell, you deciding to punch the reporter or not is a choice. And besides, why would you even want to see that? Do you not remember your own choices? All of your choices are already resolved to that point, they've already made an impact, what would the developers do? "Oh yeah, just in case you forgot, here's a slideshow of something that already happened in the game." Would that make the game better? Would that stop all of the fans complaining? Besides, the EC already dealt with a lot of your choices, the big ones anyway. You get to see how the Geth and the Quarians do. Snapshots of all the people you saved, and the people you didn't. There was a snap of the Rachni in there, so you can see what happened to them, etc. Those endings didn't have that much separating them before the EC; I shit you not when I say the only visible differences were more or less different colors to the "SPACE MAGICZ" beam. Those previous choices contributed to a little bar that you monitored as you went along. Whoopie. Compared to the world-shattering differences Bioware promised depending on your previous choices, it was kind of a letdown.The visible differences, maybe. But is that what really matters? What happens to the galaxy is so shatteringly different and wide-reaching that the entire galaxy is affected in three vastly different ways. The result of the ending is epic. It's a pretty epic ending. I mean, it was so epic, that I don't think Mass Effect 4, as a sequel, can be made. The results of the ending are simply too wide-reaching. They'd have to choose a canon ending, I think, and then all of the fans would be pissy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest force_echo Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 Just saying, your tone comes off a bit angry although I can't fathom why you would be. You liked the game, good for you. I was simply explaining why I had issues with it, or part of it at any rate. Jaeger pretty much covered it. Those endings didn't have that much separating them before the EC; I shit you not when I say the only visible differences were more or less different colors to the "SPACE MAGICZ" beam. Those previous choices contributed to a little bar that you monitored as you went along. Whoopie. Compared to the world-shattering differences Bioware promised depending on your previous choices, it was kind of a letdown. The Star Child and blatant space magic changed the entire tone of the series. The series was never "realistic" but didn't make too many concessions for space magic and the like. It was decently grounded in reality compared to other genres and that worked for it. But then Magic Space Messiah appears to solve all of the galaxy's problems (read: not really). Also, the whole crux of why the Reapers were doing what they were doing was silly. In the first game, it was simply that they were an Eldritch-type collective whose motives mere mortals couldn't even begin to fathom. And you know what? I was OK with that. ME2 implied some ulterior motives and I was intrigued. As ME3 went along, it hinted more and more at revealing some grand scheme behind the Reapers' continued exterminations. I was excited. Then, last few minutes, "Oh, uh, I kinda made the Reapers because organics and robots can't get along so I figured more robots killing more organics would totally be the solution. So... yeah. MAKE YOUR DECISION, SHEPARD." It was just silly, had no depth to it, and just overall a major letdown. Seriously; you enjoyed the game, more power to you. I'm sincerely glad. But don't treat me like I'm a silly, silly person for having a different opinion. This guy puts it much better:What are you talking about magic space messiah? What space magic? I agree that Mass Effect is a pretty realistic sci-fi universe, that's part of the reason I love it, but what space magic? The StarChild wasn't a magic space messiah or a ghost or something, he was the embodiment of the reapers in a holographic form, what's unrealistic about that? Did you not get the Reaper's motivation? It's funny, because when Halo did the exact same thing, no one complained. There was no "To save everyone in the galaxy, we're gonna kill everyone in the galaxy lolwut!" kind of thing going on. The Reapers (I should probably be using spoiler tags right now, but whatever) were created because there's an inherent difference between organic and synthetic life. The Leviathans noticed this, and created sentinels, AI sentinels (which cosmically ironic if you think about it), to solve the problem. They did, but with a logic error. It's the fundamental problem with purely logic based life in general. The good part: they do exactly what you tell them to do. The bad part: they do exactly what you tell them to do. So, a logic error was created. The problem is unsolvable, based on their experimental analysis (you proved that wrong, at least temporarily, in Mass Effect 3 but they only had what they've seen up to that point as an example to base their decisions off of, which illustrates an inherent fault in scientific-based thinking) and so they did the best thing they could. Store synthetic and organic life eternally so that they would never be lost. They fulfilled their original directive: to preserve all life, if not in the exact way the Leviathans intended. The Leviathans, tragically, were a product of their own machinations (except a few), and so the cycles began. This whole tale raises a couple questions about the nature of logic, emotion, and good and evil, or what makes us human, and could a machine ever be? Granted, a lot of this was told in the Leviathan DLC, which you missed, but the motivations and the Star Child make perfect sense, and it's actually pretty deep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Void Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 The New Deadpool game seems interesting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ruinus Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 What are you talking about magic space messiah? What space magic? I agree that Mass Effect is a pretty realistic sci-fi universe, that's part of the reason I love it, but what space magic? The StarChild wasn't a magic space messiah or a ghost or something, he was the embodiment of the reapers in a holographic form, what's unrealistic about that? I think he's refering to the Crucible's ability to somehow grant everyone in the galaxy cybernetic implants via a giant beam of light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jason Redfield Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 See what Ruinus said above. And most of your concerns here are addressed pretty well by the video I linked, FYI. He explains it in a very in-depth manner. I don't want to derail this thread any more than I already have. However, do you see no problem at all with introducing a new conflict and antagonist in the last fifteen minutes of a ~300-hour epic saga? Using technologies and premises that have never been discussed or featured before? Stealing away all the choices and open-ended style that made the previous installments of the trilogy so awesome? I'm also not a particular fan of them backpedaling to go and explain the inscrutable Reapers in depth with a DLC in the eleventh hour. It just feels... cheap. And Halo never was my thing, so I couldn't say. I will go out and say that with the Extended Cut DLC, the ending, looked at in a vacuum, isn't objectively a terrible ending to a game. It checks the necessary boxes (unlike its predecessor). Nonetheless, it leaves a good bit to be desired and isn't the amazing, open-ended experience Bioware promised before. And, of course, the whole Star Child remains to be a flaw in my mind. It was out-of-character with the rest of the Mass Effect series, honestly. This is just my perspective on it. You can agree, disagree, or bake a cake. Or all of the above. I'm glad you enjoyed it, sincerely. It just struck me and what certainly seemed like the vast majority of the Bioware fanbase as very disappointing compared to what we were promised and what could have been. In any case, I'm all done with my whining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ruinus Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 Just so you know, there's no real way to go off topic in this thread as long as it's about video games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jason Redfield Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 Fair enough. Nonetheless, I've already said as much as I really should. That's enough whining from me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Shockwave Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 Any news on Brawl's sequel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest force_echo Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 Also, some people criticize the Reapers decision to preserve genetic material instead of actually reimplanting the galaxy with the beings like the Halos in Halo. Well the Leviathans never gave the Reapers directives that specific, all they said was preserve life, and to the Reapers, life means the genetic material. Life in itself is extremely hard to quantify. And actually, a lot of microbiologists do think life = DNA intact. Also, the Reapers were waiting for a cycle that could sustain itself, which is why they gave Shepard the choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest silversurfer092 Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 I just picked up War For Cybertron, Mass Effect 3, and Asura's Wrath. I couldn't decide between Asura's and Crysis 2. I wish they had XCOM available, but they didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Me and my roommate split for the new Tomb Raider game for the PS3 since he's not a PC gamer. Looking forward to it in a few days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now