Jack Ryan vs. Master Chief

[Guest Ruinus]

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Incinerate

 

"It is a high-explosive plasma round fired from the user's omni-tool that inflicts damage over time to all nearby enemies and permanently stops their health regeneration."

 

Heavy incinerate sounds even more dangerous: "This advanced plasma round melts or burns nearly anything it hits."

 

Yeah, Jack's plasmids will be nothing new to Shepard. If his ablative armor can take the above, I think it will tank Ryan's incinerate long enough for Shepard to fill him full of holes.

 

Yes, but those are rounds that travel to the target and are only used via omni-tool. Jack's Incinerate is basically him snapping his fingers and stuff catches fire. Shepard has experience fighting people shooting out fireballs from their omni-tools and taking cover, he doesn't have experience with suddenly bursting into flames.

[Guest Jason Redfield]

Yes, but those are rounds that travel to the target and are only used via omni-tool. Jack's Incinerate is basically him snapping his fingers and stuff catches fire. Shepard has experience fighting people shooting out fireballs from their omni-tools and taking cover, he doesn't have experience with suddenly bursting into flames.

 

Alright, I'll even concede that the delivery system for plasmids is more effective. It's not so much a question of that as temperature. You don't need me to tell you that a high-explosive plasma round will cause a lot more damage and burn a lot hotter than some simple pyrokinesis.

[Guest Ruinus]

Alright, I'll even concede that the delivery system for plasmids is more effective. It's not so much a question of that as temperature. You don't need me to tell you that a high-explosive plasma round will cause a lot more damage and burn a lot hotter than some simple pyrokinesis.

 

Sure, the ME Incinerate might burn hotter, but Jack can keep spamming his Incinerate as fast as he can snap his fingers, from a concealed position, and also set fire to the entire forest. Plus, Shepard might die faster depending on his helmet: if he has one on or not.

[Guest force_echo]

What if I change the match type from Free-for-All to survival? Three people search for the fourth person, the fourth person has to stay alive for 1 week. Which chars can do it and which chars can't?

 

If I was Jack I would find a ditch somewhere and lay it with electro traps, and knowing two of the people searching for him have radar, keep absolutely still.

[Schnee Corp Lawyer]

Sure, the ME Incinerate might burn hotter, but Jack can keep spamming his Incinerate as fast as he can snap his fingers, from a concealed position, and also set fire to the entire forest. Plus, Shepard might die faster depending on his helmet: if he has one on or not.

Untrue. You need EVO to use plasmids, which honestly limits a lot of what Jack can do in this situation, since He has to conserve as much energy as possible

[Guest force_echo]

Untrue. You need EVO to use plasmids, which honestly limits a lot of what Jack can do in this situation, since He has to conserve as much energy as possible

*EVE

[Schnee Corp Lawyer]

you get the idea though

[Guest Red Blue Blur]

As far as I can tell MC easily wins this through abilities, and experience. While yes Fenix and Shepard are experienced, not to the caliber of MC. I dont know much about Ryan but Fire and wind wont really work. The electricity might and thats a big might short circut the shields of MC but Ryan would be blown away in the mean time. In all forms I see MC winning.

[Guest force_echo]

How bout ryan with all tonics maxed out? Would an engineering tonic be able to crack MC's suit? What if Hypnotize Big Daddy worked on MC? That would be amazing.

[Guest Steel]

How bout ryan with all tonics maxed out? Would an engineering tonic be able to crack MC's suit? What if Hypnotize Big Daddy worked on MC? That would be amazing.

Are you serious guys? How does Ryan not win? He has incinerate, which is line of sight (meaning it cannot be dodged), he has Freeze blast (which also line of sight), he has the Armored shell Tonic which grants him a degree of bulletproofness, I could go on and on.

[Guest Jason Redfield]

Are you serious guys? How does Ryan not win? He has incinerate, which is line of sight (meaning it cannot be dodged), he has Freeze blast (which also line of sight), he has the Armored shell Tonic which grants him a degree of bulletproofness, I could go on and on.

 

Did you even READ the last few posts? It doesn't matter if it's line of sight. So are the tech and biotic powers that Shepard goes up against. Hell, some of those biotics can loop around corners. And he's limited by the amount of Eve he has.

 

And I doubt that incinerate and freeze blast have anything on Mass Effect's incinerate and cryo shock.

[Guest force_echo]

Did you even READ the last few posts? It doesn't matter if it's line of sight. So are the tech and biotic powers that Shepard goes up against. Hell, some of those biotics can loop around corners. And he's limited by the amount of Eve he has.

 

And I doubt that incinerate and freeze blast have anything on Mass Effect's incinerate and cryo shock.

What he means by line of sight is that the target instantly lights on fire or freezes with a snap of his fingers there is no projection, and if he snaps his fingers again, the flame increases in intensity. Also, you have no evidence that Bioshocks powers are weaker than ME's.

[Guest Jason Redfield]

What he means by line of sight is that the target instantly lights on fire or freezes with a snap of his fingers there is no projection, and if he snaps his fingers again, the flame increases in intensity. Also, you have no evidence that Bioshocks powers are weaker than ME's.

 

Other than the fact that, you know, the fire from Bioshock's incinerate is just that -- fire. The incinerate that Shepard goes up against on a regular basis is a high-intensity ball of plasma that is capable of burning through armor.

 

And again, Mass Effect powers often work in a similar manner. I don't know why you guys think Ryan is going to win this fight with a snap of his fingers. He won't.

[Guest Blue Beetle (Jamie Reyes)]

Jack Ryan is left wondering what the hell a "Bioshock" is supposed to be and why he of all people is fighting Master Chief.

 

As he tries to radio in Admiral James Greer and DCI William Cabot for help, Master Chief blows him apart with his futuristic guns.

[Guest force_echo]

Other than the fact that, you know, the fire from Bioshock's incinerate is just that -- fire. The incinerate that Shepard goes up against on a regular basis is a high-intensity ball of plasma that is capable of burning through armor.

 

And again, Mass Effect powers often work in a similar manner. I don't know why you guys think Ryan is going to win this fight with a snap of his fingers. He won't.

Yeah, but every time he snaps his fingers, the flames get hotter. And hotter. And hotter. Plus he has Freeze blast to instantly freeze Shepard. Also, even if the flames aren't hot enough to o significant damage, I seriously doubt that you can fight normally when you're on fire.

[Guest force_echo]

Jack Ryan is left wondering what the hell a "Bioshock" is supposed to be and why he of all people is fighting Master Chief.

 

As he tries to radio in Admiral James Greer and DCI William Cabot for help, Master Chief blows him apart with his futuristic guns.

I don't know if you're trying to be funny, cause you're not. Look up bioshock or get off my thread.

[Guest Jason Redfield]

Yeah, but every time he snaps his fingers, the flames get hotter. And hotter. And hotter. Plus he has Freeze blast to instantly freeze Shepard. Also, even if the flames aren't hot enough to o significant damage, I seriously doubt that you can fight normally when you're on fire.

 

*sigh*

 

Again, you're acting as if he has an unlimited amount of Eve and that Shepard will sit there and let him snap his fingers. It's line of sight, meaning that if he can see Shepard to set him on fire, guess what? Shepard can shoot him. And Shepard's implants give him amazing reaction times, making it much more likely that he'll drop Ryan with a burst before he ever snaps his fingers.

 

And in order to reach the temperatures of plasma, he'd have to snap his fingers several times. I don't think you realize the difference in heat between fire and plasma. And Shepard could definitely fight while on fire. As I've said before, his armor is ablative, designed to defend against lasers and energy weapons. You think fire will slow him down enough to keep him from filling Jack full of bullets? It won't.

 

Besides, the enemies in Bioshock don't even always die from Incinerate. And they have no defenses to speak of for the most part.

[Guest force_echo]

*sigh*

 

Again, you're acting as if he has an unlimited amount of Eve and that Shepard will sit there and let him snap his fingers. It's line of sight, meaning that if he can see Shepard to set him on fire, guess what? Shepard can shoot him. And Shepard's implants give him amazing reaction times, making it much more likely that he'll drop Ryan with a burst before he ever snaps his fingers.

 

And in order to reach the temperatures of plasma, he'd have to snap his fingers several times. I don't think you realize the difference in heat between fire and plasma. And Shepard could definitely fight while on fire. As I've said before, his armor is ablative, designed to defend against lasers and energy weapons. You think fire will slow him down enough to keep him from filling Jack full of bullets? It won't.

Jack isn't a normal human, his armored shell plasmid is pretty strong and can withstand alot of damage. Plasma is fire, thats what fire is, energized gas, AKA, plasma. Jack wont set his armor on fire, hes not a retard, he'll aim for the head or face. You act as if snapping your fingers takes alot of time, you can snap your fingers 3 times in one second, the lowest heat of a fire is around 750 degrees Celsius, imagine 3 times that in one second.

[Guest Jason Redfield]

Jack isn't a normal human, his armored shell plasmid is pretty strong and can withstand alot of damage. Plasma is fire, thats what fire is, energized gas, AKA, plasma. Jack wont set his armor on fire, hes not a retard, he'll aim for the head or face. You act as if snapping your fingers takes alot of time, you can snap your fingers 3 times in one second, the lowest heat of a fire is around 750 degrees Celsius, imagine 3 times that in one second.

 

Guess what? Shepard isn't a normal human either, HIS armor and shields can withstand a lot of damage. Plasma is NOT fire, and you saying that it is has ruined your credibility as far as I'm concerned. You're talking about the difference between 750 degrees Celsius and ~28,000 kelvin, or 27726.85 degree Celsius (using lightning as a real-life example for the moment). That's a LOT of finger-snapping Ryan would have to do...

 

And you know how many times Shepard can shoot Ryan in 3 seconds with his reaction time? A lot.

[Schnee Corp Lawyer]

Depending on how you set your own personal shepard, Shepard could have powers to rival Jack's, if not stronger. This is why I don't like fights involving Shepard, as there are a bajillion different Shepards running around

[Guest Jason Redfield]

Depending on how you set your own personal shepard, Shepard could have powers to rival Jack's, if not stronger. This is why I don't like fights involving Shepard, as there are a bajillion different Shepards running around

 

Indeed. I've been generous in assuming we're talking about a soldier Shepard. If we're talking about a biotic one, then he could easily just pick Jack up and toss him around like a ragdoll. And yes, he can do that in a line of sight, and yes, he can do it about as quick as a snap of the finger. He has so many more options.

[Guest force_echo]

Indeed. I've been generous in assuming we're talking about a soldier Shepard. If we're talking about a biotic one, then he could easily just pick Jack up and toss him around like a ragdoll. And yes, he can do that in a line of sight, and yes, he can do it about as quick as a snap of the finger. He has so many more options.

And Jack can't with Telekinesis?

[Guest force_echo]

Guess what? Shepard isn't a normal human either, HIS armor and shields can withstand a lot of damage. Plasma is NOT fire, and you saying that it is has ruined your credibility as far as I'm concerned. You're talking about the difference between 750 degrees Celsius and ~28,000 kelvin, or 27726.85 degree Celsius (using lightning as a real-life example for the moment). That's a LOT of finger-snapping Ryan would have to do...

 

And you know how many times Shepard can shoot Ryan in 3 seconds with his reaction time? A lot.

Sorry, misinterpretation on my part, fire is not plasma, you're right, but then again, plasma dosen't even have to be hot (hell we made plasma in physics class by microwaving various gasses, did it burn 27726.85 degrees celsius? Hell no), and if the fire burns hot enough it can ionize the gas, effictively becoming plasma. Lightning is not plasma, and that has ruined your credibility as far as I'm concerned, lightning is, by definition, an atmospheric discharge of electricity. Electricity =/= plasma, plasma is ionized gas, electricity is purely the movement of electrons.

[Guest force_echo]

EDIT

[Indolent]

Ho hum:

 

Is Lightning an example of Plasma?

 

Look to the right and read the inside box there.

 

Oh and Echo: Lightning travels through ionized gas, which is plasma.

 

And since when did this become a debate about Jack versus Shepard? I thought it was Jack versus John.