Mass Effect vs Halo

[Guest ricrery]

In a fight with the Collectors, Geth, and Alliance versus the Covenant and UNSC at their peaks, who would win. They are allowed to use everything at their disposal against each other, and they cannot hold back.

[Skirmisher]

In a fight with the Collectors, Geth, and Alliance versus the Covenant and UNSC at their peaks, who would win. They are allowed to use everything at their disposal against each other, and they cannot hold back.

Um... then the Halo Forces pwn the Mass Effect Forces... The Treaty of Farixen sets a limit on the amount of Combat ships each faction within the Alliance can produce and maintain.

 

"During the year 2185, the dreadnought count is 39 turians, 20 asari, 16 salarians, and 8 humans"

 

Total Number of Ships? 83, but to be generous let's round to 100...

 

It seems reasonable to assume that their Numbers as a whole would be close to that of the Geth and the Collectors, however to be generous again let's double this number.

 

So that's 100 + 200 + 200 = 500 ships for Mass Effect.

 

 

Now, lets look at the UNSC.

 

The Battle of Alpha Aurigae had a Fleet of 117 Capitol ships

The Fall of Reach had 152 Capitol ships

The Battle of Earth had the Second Fleet, the Seventh Fleet, and the Sixteenth Fleet. However their sizes are unknown, but it can be safe to say that their sizes must have been between 50 and 150 ships due to the examples of other fleets.

 

If you were thinking that some of the same ships were present at each of these battles, they were not. The Fleet from Coles time was eventually whittled away to nothing, and the Fall of Reach was a massacre for the UNSC.

 

UNSC = ~500 ships.

 

 

Let us now look at the Covenant.

 

During the Fall of Reach, the Covenant attacked with 314 capitol ships.

 

Then there was Regrets Fleet that was destroyed in Operation First Strike which numbered at 485, plus the ships that Actually made it to earth the two Assault Carriers and their 13 Battlecruisers for a Fleet of 500 ships total.

 

Then there was Truths Fleet, which was for all intents and purposes the High Charity Defense Fleet.

 

And last but not least the Combined Fleet of Righteous Purpose...

 

All in all that puts the Covenant Numbers at Minimum... 314 + 500 + 300 + 300 = 1414 Capitol Ships.

 

 

So this would mean that Halo's Forces have a Fleet asset approaching 2000 Capitol Ships, which would outnumber the Mass Effect Fleet by 4:1.

 

 

Not only that, but they (Halo) also Out Power their opponents, as UNSC Frigates are capable of placing a 56 Kiloton Kinetic (Other Sources state that this is Much Higher than what is said here) Kill Vehicle on target easily enough and Destroyers, and Cruisers fire Bigger and Faster projectiles.

 

As well the Covenant Out Power UNSC ships as well as having Energy Shields that can Repulse these Yields and Higher, and Still maintain Combat readiness even under Extensive Damage.

 

Compare this to the highest yield achieved by Mass Effect 38 kilotons.

 

 

However this also assumes that Mass Effect shields would actually work against Covenant and UNSC weapons. For Starters the Slugs that the UNSC fire are Heavy... Really, Really Heavy... this means that the Kinetic Barriers that Push enemy projectiles away would do diddly squat to the Extreme Momentum of UNSC MAC Slugs.

 

Then there's the Covenant Plasma Torpedoes, which are quite lethal to ships, quite fast, and Guided. The Guiding Mechinism might be enough to push it past the repulsion effect of Mass Effect Kinetic Barriers, and once it makes contact with the ship that ship is going to burn.

 

And finally the Nail in the Coffin for Mass Effect Ships. Covenant Pulse Lasers. Light Speed weapons, can easily burn though meters of Molecularly Strengthened Titanium in seconds. And Kinetic Barriers do Nothing against Laser type Weapons.

 

 

Then there's Strategy and Tactics... this also goes to the Halo Forces, as they would have Admiral Preston Cole and Captain Keyes, as well as Lord Hood. The Covenant would have Imperial Admiral Xytan 'Jar Wattinree, Supreme Commander Thel 'Vadamee, and Special Operations Commander of the Covenant Rtas 'Vadumee.

 

All of whom are Exceptional Commanders who Excel at what they do.

 

 

So what does this mean? This means that Halo Forces basically Wipe out Mass Effect forces in Seconds or Minutes, unless the Mass Effect Forces somehow manage to Out Number Halo's forces, which with that 4:1 advantage doesn't seem likely, and even then they would take Substantial Losses and gain mostly Pyrrhic victories if any. As well, due to the Mass Effect Forces not using anything like the Cole Protocol, Halo Forces would easily find and then destroy most if not all Mass Effect Military Anchorages and Rally Points.

 

One Notable advantage that the Halo Forces would make use of is the Choke Points created by the Mass Effect Relays. A Small Halo Fleet could sit at one of these and just wait. Eventually a Mass Effect fleet would pass through and be picked off before they either knew what was happening or could raise their defenses.

 

 

 

 

In the End Halo wins.

[Guest TheJ0ke]

*Gasp of mock surprise*

Wow! Skirm replied first on a thread about Halo! Who woulda guessed?

[/sarcasm]

 

At any rate, Skirm seems to have forgotten to include the Collectors in his opening statement.

[Skirmisher]

*Gasp of mock surprise*

Wow! Skirm replied first on a thread about Halo! Who woulda guessed?

[/sarcasm]

 

At any rate, Skirm seems to have forgotten to include the Collectors in his opening statement.

Meh, what can they do? Also I included the fact that they were going to be there and contribute their numbers to the ME forces...

[Guest TheJ0ke]

Meh, what can they do? Also I included the fact that they were going to be there and contribute their numbers to the ME forces...

Well not that I'm an expert on them (I've still been to cheap to buy ME2), but aren't they supposed to have more advanced technology and weapons than the other races?

[Skirmisher]

Well not that I'm an expert on them (I've still been to cheap to buy ME2), but aren't they supposed to have more advanced technology and weapons than the other races?

Not sure... I think they May have some sort of Energy Weapon system on their ships... but guess what? While that might be good at pwning Mass Effect ships, the UNSC has been dealing with that kind of weapon from the Get-Go when warring with the Covenant and the Covenant have Energy Shields that can Actually withstand Energy Weapons fire.

[Guest Dark Ranger X]

Not sure... I think they May have some sort of Energy Weapon system on their ships... but guess what? While that might be good at pwning Mass Effect ships, the UNSC has been dealing with that kind of weapon from the Get-Go when warring with the Covenant and the Covenant have Energy Shields that can Actually withstand Energy Weapons fire.

 

The Normandy SR-1 could withstand energy weapons fire with ease as well, until it came up against a Collector's ship. Click the following link to see what a Collector's ship can actually do.

 

 

If Reapers were allowed in this fight, this be a whole new ball game. Unfortunately, the Halo crew takes it.

[Stranglehold-prime]

Halo wins this obviously.

[Guest Jason Redfield]

I broached a similar subject on Spacebattles, and the general consensus was that it would take the UNSC, Systems Alliance, Council races, Quarian Fleet, and quite possibly even the friendly Geth all allied together to actually be able to challenge the Covenant militarily on equal standing (assuming Halo rings and other plot points were removed). I'll try to explain the reasoning later.

[Guest ricrery]

Not only that, but they (Halo) also Out Power their opponents, as UNSC Frigates are capable of placing a 56 Kiloton Kinetic (Other Sources state that this is Much Higher than what is said here) Kill Vehicle on target easily enough and Destroyers, and Cruisers fire Bigger and Faster projectiles.

 

Actually, newer canon states they use much, much less.

 

 

A Covenant Corvette is hit by an orbital defense MAC that flies right through it. Despite traveling at several km/s, it didn't bring up the water needed for it to be a multi-ton event, yet the Corvette was taken down.

 

 

A UNSC Frigate uses its MAC to bring down a Covenant spire with effects not too far off from the previous videos, and then later it bisected by a Covenant Energy Projector while Noble team is close to it. Its effects are similar to what the novels describe it to do, and in there, only the large ships have them.

 

 

That weapon damages a CCS battlecruiser.

 

As well the Covenant Out Power UNSC ships as well as having Energy Shields that can Repulse these Yields and Higher, and Still maintain Combat readiness even under Extensive Damage.

 

Compare this to the highest yield achieved by Mass Effect 38 kilotons.

 

The highest known yield, and even then, they can fight with other vessels for minutes with reload times of 5 seconds.

 

However this also assumes that Mass Effect shields would actually work against Covenant and UNSC weapons. For Starters the Slugs that the UNSC fire are Heavy... Really, Really Heavy... this means that the Kinetic Barriers that Push enemy projectiles away would do diddly squat to the Extreme Momentum of UNSC MAC Slugs.

 

According to Halo Reach, they aren't heavy at all, and instead closer to double digit tons at most, with single digit tons making more sense. Oh, and canon has shown that UNSC titanium weighs far less than actual titanium.

 

Then there's the Covenant Plasma Torpedoes, which are quite lethal to ships, quite fast, and Guided. The Guiding Mechinism might be enough to push it past the repulsion effect of Mass Effect Kinetic Barriers, and once it makes contact with the ship that ship is going to burn.

 

MIGHT, keyword.

 

And finally the Nail in the Coffin for Mass Effect Ships. Covenant Pulse Lasers. Light Speed weapons, can easily burn though meters of Molecularly Strengthened Titanium in seconds. And Kinetic Barriers do Nothing against Laser type Weapons.

 

You mean the titanium that gigajoule heavy weapons can bisect?

[Guest ricrery]

Then there's Strategy and Tactics... this also goes to the Halo Forces, as they would have Admiral Preston Cole and Captain Keyes, as well as Lord Hood. The Covenant would have Imperial Admiral Xytan 'Jar Wattinree, Supreme Commander Thel 'Vadamee, and Special Operations Commander of the Covenant Rtas 'Vadumee.

 

Individuals aren't important here.

 

So what does this mean? This means that Halo Forces basically Wipe out Mass Effect forces in Seconds or Minutes, unless the Mass Effect Forces somehow manage to Out Number Halo's forces, which with that 4:1 advantage doesn't seem likely

 

Actually, right now, according to the highest canon, the Halo side would have to outnumber the ME side to win at all, not the other way around.

[Skirmisher]

Um... Rice you do understand that hitting the Planet with Gigatons of Kinetic Energy would be detrimental to the UNSC's desire to keep the planet inhabitable... Meaning that they wouldn't need to hit the ship with a Full Strength shot... and Guess what? They can actually not use all their power whatever shots they need to take! Meaning that to wipe out a corvette the SMALLEST covenant ship type in the Covenant Fleet wouldn't take a Full powered hit.

 

Also, guess what? Minimum reentry speed for an object of similar shape to a MAC Round is 7.58 Miles per Second. With a 3000 ton projectile traveling at this Minimum Speed, it would still do 53 Kilotons of Damage!

 

Also... you think that there is no transfer of Kinetic Energy to the ship when it Smashes through it? What the hell kind of reasoning do you have... oh yeah, you're the guy that thinks that the US military has Gigaton Scale Nuclear warheads based on Tests done in the 50's and 60's...

 

As for the Frigate Video... Once again, they were hitting an unshielded and not to strong target... Why would they need to put their full energy behind a hit from a MAC round? Why would they need to do that? They wouldn't, that's why. They Didn't need to move their MAC round at their usual speed, and so the amount of Energy expended was Minimal at best. Seriously, what kind of reasoning do you use... Oh yeah... you're the guy that thinks that the US military has Gigaton Scale Nuclear warheads based on Tests done in the 50's and 60's...

 

 

Then there's that Ground Based MAC... Yeah, of coarse it's going to damage the Battlecruiser when it hit's it while it's shields are down in that area and it's charging up to fire a blast... most of that Energy Explosion was from the waste energy from the Plasma Shot it was building thus knocking out it's weapon. It was like throwing a wrench into the works...

 

 

As for your hypothesis that Mass Effect ships can fight for Minutes or more against UNSC forces, I have already gone over that. ME ships fight for minutes at a time against one another due to the fact that they have Shields that they've designed to counter their Weapons... Their weapons that do not have the Momentum to overcome Kinetic Barriers that well... UNSC MAC Slugs however are a hell of alot heavier and as such have Much more momentum that a simple Push from a Kinetic Barrier would do nothing against.

 

A Single Shot from a MAC gun would Tear straight through a Mass Effect ship like paper, regardless of Barriers.

 

A Single Plasma Torpedo could be pushed through a Kinetic Barrier very easily with their guidance system.

 

A Pulse Laser or a Energy Projector would Decimate Mass Effect ships as they Ignore Kinetic Barriers.

 

 

As for your assumption of their weight, Find Proof, as I don't recall Reach ever stating the weight of MAC rounds. So either bring solid Canon Proof of your arguments or shove it up your ass.

 

 

As well, it's Tera not Giga... you have your prefixes mixed up... but then again that wouldn't surprise me with the guy that thinks that the US military has Gigaton Scale Nuclear warheads based on Tests done in the 50's and 60's...

 

 

Lastly... Individuals aren't important? Who the f*** do you think Leads the Charge?! Who the F*** do you think plans the War?!?!

 

Do you think that Commander in Chief, President Truman was Unimportant during WWII?

Do you think that Patton or Rommel were Unimportant during the Campaigns of WWII?

Do you think that Fleet Admiral Nimitz was Unimportant during WWII?

 

Wow you are some kind of f***ed in the head.

 

 

Why do I have to argue with this ******...

[Guest force_echo]

Jesus Christ Skirmisher calm the hell down.

 

Gigaton nukes? What?

[Skirmisher]

Jesus Christ Skirmisher calm the hell down.

 

Gigaton nukes? What?

Sorry, it's just that Idiots making Wildly exaggerated claims based on no or little evidence make me mad...

 

And yeah... in "the Firepower of Ships" thread (I think) Ruinus and he were arguing and the Castle Bravo Nuclear Test was brought up... and apparently Rice made the claim that based on the Crater and other random information the US had to have dropped a Gigaton level Nuke.

 

Ruinus knows more about that one than I though, as he was the one who argued with him.

[Guest ricrery]

Um... Rice you do understand that hitting the Planet with Gigatons of Kinetic Energy would be detrimental to the UNSC's desire to keep the planet inhabitable... Meaning that they wouldn't need to hit the ship with a Full Strength shot... and Guess what? They can actually not use all their power whatever shots they need to take! Meaning that to wipe out a corvette the SMALLEST covenant ship type in the Covenant Fleet wouldn't take a Full powered hit.

 

Which would make sense, but then

There is no reason for them to hold back then. In Halo 2, we see MACS firing, and yet the ships aren't thrown back at all by the recoil. MORE proof against 65 kiloton-1.17 teraton MACs.

 

Also, guess what? Minimum reentry speed for an object of similar shape to a MAC Round is 7.58 Miles per Second. With a 3000 ton projectile traveling at this Minimum Speed, it would still do 53 Kilotons of Damage!

 

And guess what? Frame by frame, it was going at less than 5 kilometers, or 1.6 kilotons, and even then it isn't that much.

 

Also... you think that there is no transfer of Kinetic Energy to the ship when it Smashes through it? What the hell kind of reasoning do you have... oh yeah, you're the guy that thinks that the US military has Gigaton Scale Nuclear warheads based on Tests done in the 50's and 60's...

 

That's NOT how physics works. The Corvette didn't slow down the MAC's velocity at all despite being hit by it, meaning that the vessel received a small fraction of the kinetic energy (the fact that it wasn't engulfed in a 56 kiloton explosion should have been your first guess). The lake received most of it, and even then, it was absolutely pathetic.

 

As for the Frigate Video... Once again, they were hitting an unshielded and not to strong target... Why would they need to put their full energy behind a hit from a MAC round? Why would they need to do that? They wouldn't, that's why. They Didn't need to move their MAC round at their usual speed, and so the amount of Energy expended was Minimal at best. Seriously, what kind of reasoning do you use... Oh yeah... you're the guy that thinks that the US military has Gigaton Scale Nuclear warheads based on Tests done in the 50's and 60's...

 

The energy projector did EXACTLY what the novels say it do, and this weapon is the strongest weapon used by the Covenant no less! It took FIFTEEN PLASMA TORPEDOES to boil away an orbital defense. If you think I'm going to accept standard weapons at above mid gigajoule, you are sadly mistaken.

 

Then there's that Ground Based MAC... Yeah, of coarse it's going to damage the Battlecruiser when it hit's it while it's shields are down in that area and it's charging up to fire a blast... most of that Energy Explosion was from the waste energy from the Plasma Shot it was building thus knocking out it's weapon. It was like throwing a wrench into the works...

 

In The Fall of Reach, several MAC hits can't take down a small Covenant Cruiser.

[Guest ricrery]

As for your hypothesis that Mass Effect ships can fight for Minutes or more against UNSC forces, I have already gone over that. ME ships fight for minutes at a time against one another due to the fact that they have Shields that they've designed to counter their Weapons... Their weapons that do not have the Momentum to overcome Kinetic Barriers that well... UNSC MAC Slugs however are a hell of alot heavier and as such have Much more momentum that a simple Push from a Kinetic Barrier would do nothing against.

 

Their MACs are NOT heavy AT ALL. At most, they have a momentum of 1E^10 kg*m/s.

 

A Single Shot from a MAC gun would Tear straight through a Mass Effect ship like paper, regardless of Barriers.

 

Yet it's a small and slow gun as of Halo 2, 3, and Reach.

 

 

As for your assumption of their weight, Find Proof, as I don't recall Reach ever stating the weight of MAC rounds. So either bring solid Canon Proof of your arguments or shove it up your ass.

 

If it was anywhere near a kiloton, it should have brought the water up that high. That little ship next to it? It's a BATTLESHIP. The Halo Reach scene shouldn't have been a splash, it should been that. The Fall of Reach also gives UNSC titanium lighter-than-air densities.

In this video, a 100 meter rock traveling at 3.5 km/s impacts the Shadow of Intent, pretty much mission killing it. With bone density, the rock has a KE of 1.14 megatons and a momentum of 2.478893E^12 kg*m/s, which would be impressive... However, the Shadow of Intent was totally incapable of slowing it down, and instead a mountain chain stopped it dead cold. This means that a small amount of the actual kinetic energy went to the Shadow of Intent, while most of it went into the mountain chain. A big question is if it was shielded or not, which can go either way, but my point is that, shielded or not, the SoI was incapable of stopping that rock.

 

 

As well, it's Tera not Giga... you have your prefixes mixed up... but then again that wouldn't surprise me with the guy that thinks that the US military has Gigaton Scale Nuclear warheads based on Tests done in the 50's and 60's...

 

Terajoules? Based off what?

 

Lastly... Individuals aren't important? Who the f*** do you think Leads the Charge?! Who the F*** do you think plans the War?!?!

 

OH NO, ship captains are going to be in every fight and are going to make the plans and are going to win the wars!

[Skirmisher]

Which would make sense, but then

There is no reason for them to hold back then. In Halo 2, we see MACS firing, and yet the ships aren't thrown back at all by the recoil. MORE proof against 65 kiloton-1.17 teraton MACs.

you mean Halo 3, and also... the reason why they aren't being thrown back is due to the fact that they have LARGE ENGINES BEHIND THEM. An AI or even a Pilot could easily put them at Cruising speed, or that gentle glide they were doing and each time they fire rev the Engines up to counter the Recoil. We don't actually see their engines during that clip, and it's safe to assume this. Not only that but Bungie has No idea what the hell they're talking about half the time. Take for instance

from Halo 2 where we see ships Spontaneously Detonating.

 

 

Not only that, but Canon Statements show that their Frigates fire AT LEAST 58 Kilotons KE damage, with them firing AT MOST 1.17 Teratons.

 

In the face of Canon your arguments Fail Miserably.

 

 

So like every fan of star wars that argues the numbers... It's Canon, Deal with it.

 

 

Also, since we're bringing up your little Recoil thing... what about your own ships? That big Space Battle that we see... well Mass Effect ships don't seem to have ANY recoil whatsoever, so that MUST mean they do less than a Kiloton of damage with their pea shooters.

 

 

And guess what? Frame by frame, it was going at less than 5 kilometers, or 1.6 kilotons, and even then it isn't that much.

And how can you tell? What is the Size of a Corvette, how far away were they, was it moving at a different time frame to accentuate the moment, did Bungie f*** up yet again when it comes to ship weapons?

 

The answer is you don't know. Frankly I would take Solid proven in universe numbers over your assumptions any day of the week.

 

 

That's NOT how physics works. The Corvette didn't slow down the MAC's velocity at all despite being hit by it, meaning that the vessel received a small fraction of the kinetic energy (the fact that it wasn't engulfed in a 56 kiloton explosion should have been your first guess). The lake received most of it, and even then, it was absolutely pathetic.

Um... Wow, that's not how Physics work is right... you just violated the law of not being a f***ing moron.

 

 

Kinetic Energy is Not Explosive.

 

 

If a MAC round were to have 58 Kilotons of Kinetic Energy that does not mean...

 

 

 

 

 

Not only that but you presume that An Inelastic Collision between to Hard Materials does not transfer energy. The round would have had to bash through it's shields, punch through the armour on both sides and the decks between and then out the other sides shields before falling into the Lake.

 

 

The energy projector did EXACTLY what the novels say it do, and this weapon is the strongest weapon used by the Covenant no less! It took FIFTEEN PLASMA TORPEDOES to boil away an orbital defense. If you think I'm going to accept standard weapons at above mid gigajoule, you are sadly mistaken.

Um... where did this come from?

 

Frankly if you can't stay on topic then it's not worth debating you.

 

 

In The Fall of Reach, several MAC hits can't take down a small Covenant Cruiser.

Do you have quotes to actually back this up? Or is this your Usual hearsay and slander?

[Skirmisher]

Their MACs are NOT heavy AT ALL. At most, they have a momentum of 1E^10 kg*m/s.

Do you have quotes to actually back this up? Or is this your Usual hearsay and slander?

 

 

Yet it's a small and slow gun as of Halo 2, 3, and Reach.

Do you have quotes to actually back this up? Or is this your Usual hearsay and slander?

 

 

 

If it was anywhere near a kiloton, it should have brought the water up that high. That little ship next to it? It's a BATTLESHIP.

Yet that was a F***ING EXPLOSION, EXPLOSIONS ARE DIFFERENT THAN ONE OBJECT HITTING ANOTHER.

 

God are you a F***ing retard or what... I have Continually shot down Each and Everyone of your Pathetic points one after another. You have you argument, so please stop!

 

 

Terajoules? Based off what?

Based off the Lowest estimate of MAC rounds in Canon.

 

 

OH NO, ship captains are going to be in every fight and are going to make the plans and are going to win the wars!

That's usually what happens, but you (like usual) are quite Stupid... How about an Admiral, you know the kinda guy who plans the war and what to do in it, and directs Many Many ships?

 

God your stupid.

[Indolent]

Do MAC rounds EVEN explode? I thought it just punched through stuff... like a railgun does...

[Skirmisher]

Do MAC rounds EVEN explode? I thought it just punched through stuff... like a railgun does...

It depends, materials like Depleted Uranium are pyrophoric and when they hit something at High Velocity ignite into a Fireball... but MAC rounds are made out of Specialized Tungsten... which would take a Shit Load of Energy to Blow Up due to the fact that it would require SIGNIFICANT temperatures from the Impact to Convert it from a Solid into a Gas, in Seconds...

[Guest Jason Redfield]

In a manner of speaking, they might explode. If they're traveling at hypervelocity, then there's a good chance they would.

[Guest ricrery]

you mean Halo 3,

 

No, Halo 2, which has MACs flying at 20 km/s at most, depending on the size of the ships.

 

and also... the reason why they aren't being thrown back is due to the fact that they have LARGE ENGINES BEHIND THEM. An AI or even a Pilot could easily put them at Cruising speed, or that gentle glide they were doing and each time they fire rev the Engines up to counter the Recoil. We don't actually see their engines during that clip, and it's safe to assume this. Not only that but Bungie has No idea what the hell they're talking about half the time. Take for instance

from Halo 2 where we see ships Spontaneously Detonating.

 

A 5,000 ton ship traveling at 50 m/s generates 2.5E^8 kg*m/s of momentum. A 65 kiloton MAC generates 1.8E^10 kg*m/s of momentum, enough to send the vessel back at 72 m/s. A 1.17 teraton one would send it back flying at 314 km/s.

 

Also, since we're bringing up your little Recoil thing... what about your own ships? That big Space Battle that we see... well Mass Effect ships don't seem to have ANY recoil whatsoever, so that MUST mean they do less than a Kiloton of damage with their pea shooters.

 

You mean the one that was stated by the creators themselves to be low canon and overridden by the Codex?

 

And how can you tell? What is the Size of a Corvette, how far away were they, was it moving at a different time frame to accentuate the moment, did Bungie f*** up yet again when it comes to ship weapons?

 

The answer is you don't know. Frankly I would take Solid proven in universe numbers over your assumptions any day of the week.

 

5 km/s comes from a 200 meter height figure, but Halopedia says that a Corvette is 115 meters high.

[Guest ricrery]

Um... Wow, that's not how Physics work is right... you just violated the law of not being a f***ing moron.

 

 

Kinetic Energy is Not Explosive.

 

At a sufficient velocity, a nuke, laser, or kinetic slug all have the same visual effects, and look at this.

 

Not only that but you presume that An Inelastic Collision between to Hard Materials does not transfer energy. The round would have had to bash through it's shields, punch through the armour on both sides and the decks between and then out the other sides shields before falling into the Lake.

 

That doesn't matter here. That "hard metal" was incapable of slowing down the velocity, and because of that, only a small amount of the MAC's energy went to it. I mean, *vulgarity*, it flew right through it in a quarter of a second and didn't slow down!

 

 

Do you have quotes to actually back this up? Or is this your Usual hearsay and slander?

 

I'm not going to quote the entire scene, but I have a link to it.

[Guest ricrery]

Do you have quotes to actually back this up? Or is this your Usual hearsay and slander?

 

A 600 ton slug traveling at 5 km/s generates 3E^9 kg*m/s, and Halo 2 shows MACs flying at VERY SLOW velocities.

 

Do you have quotes to actually back this up? Or is this your Usual hearsay and slander?

 

 

I've already shown you the other two, one of which was in this thread.

 

Yet that was a F***ING EXPLOSION, EXPLOSIONS ARE DIFFERENT THAN ONE OBJECT HITTING ANOTHER.

 

AHAHA. This is rich. Energy is the same no matter what. 1 kiloton of explosive energy is the same one 1 kiloton of kinetic energy. Kinetic energy would blow things upwards when it impacts it, such as here.

[Guest ricrery]

Based off the Lowest estimate of MAC rounds in Canon.

 

That's not evidence.