Mass Effect vs Halo

[Guest TheJ0ke]

AHAHA. This is rich. Energy is the same no matter what. 1 kiloton of explosive energy is the same one 1 kiloton of kinetic energy. Kinetic energy would blow things upwards when it impacts it, such as here.

WHAT?!? That's like saying light=kinetic energy!

Explosive energy reacts completely different than two objects colliding. I mean certainly if two objects collide at high enough speeds, one will shatter and release energy, but that's not really the same thing. That happens because the stress on the object was more than the material could handle not because it suddenly decided to explode for no apparent reason. Kinetic energy simply does not mean explosive force.

The reason why rock and such will get thrown up when you throw a heavy object into it is explained by Newton's third law, "To every action there is always an equal and opposite reaction: or the forces of two bodies on each other are always equal and are directed in opposite directions."

 

Also, that "here", which I'm assuming was supposed to be a link, doesn't work.

[Skirmisher]

That's not evidence.

Yes it is.

[Schnee Corp Lawyer]

So much rage in one thread

[Hugo Fowl]

So much rage in one thread

 

*Nods and passes the popcorn to Opalord*

 

If there is anything that ticks off our human calculator, its a lack of evidence....Or worse, falsified. Butter?

[Indolent]

Hey, can I have some popcorn too? o.o

 

I'd love to see where this "schooling" from Ricrery came from.

[Guest ricrery]

WHAT?!? That's like saying light=kinetic energy!

Explosive energy reacts completely different than two objects colliding. I mean certainly if two objects collide at high enough speeds, one will shatter and release energy, but that's not really the same thing. That happens because the stress on the object was more than the material could handle not because it suddenly decided to explode for no apparent reason. Kinetic energy simply does not mean explosive force.

The reason why rock and such will get thrown up when you throw a heavy object into it is explained by Newton's third law, "To every action there is always an equal and opposite reaction: or the forces of two bodies on each other are always equal and are directed in opposite directions."

 

Also, that "here", which I'm assuming was supposed to be a link, doesn't work.

 

Are you paying attention? At a sufficient velocity, EVERYTHING has the same visual effect; an explosion. All the kinetic energy would get converted into heat and pressure which creates an explosion in the atmosphere, even if the shell is virtually indestructible.

[Guest ricrery]

Yes it is.

 

No it's not. I already showed a video of slow MAC round rounds, and evidence that MACs aren't 600 tons.

[Guest TheJ0ke]

Are you paying attention? At a sufficient velocity, EVERYTHING has the same visual effect; an explosion. All the kinetic energy would get converted into heat and pressure which creates an explosion in the atmosphere, even if the shell is virtually indestructible.

So a simple combustion reaction would have the same exact visual effect as someone dropping a ball bearing into sand? This is pretty much what you're saying.

Yes energy can be converted in reactions, but all energy is not the same (something doesn't convert if it's already in that state).

I would respond to that last part, but I have no idea what the heck you're talking about.

[Guest Jason Redfield]

So a simple combustion reaction would have the same exact visual effect as someone dropping a ball bearing into sand? This is pretty much what you're saying.

Yes energy can be converted in reactions, but all energy is not the same (something doesn't convert if it's already in that state).

I would respond to that last part, but I have no idea what the heck you're talking about.

 

I'm no expert, but I'm assuming there's a reason both heat and kinetic energy can be measured in joules...

[Skirmisher]

No it's not. I already showed a video of slow MAC round rounds, and evidence that MACs aren't 600 tons.

Yes it is and no you didn't.

[Guest Dark Ranger X]

Can we just even this up a bit and say that the Mass Effect side has three Reapers?

 

Surely that would...uh, wait. No. Just give them one reaper. That alone would even it up considerably assuming the Halo team didn't know what they were up against.

[Skirmisher]

Can we just even this up a bit and say that the Mass Effect side has three Reapers?

 

Surely that would...uh, wait. No. Just give them one reaper. That alone would even it up considerably.

True, it took a whole Fleet of Alliance ships to kill one as well IIRC it was Shepard doing something in the Citadel that opened it up to damage?

 

But then again the Covenant have their Forerunner Dreadnought... That would Easily counter a Reaper.

[Guest Dark Ranger X]

True, it took a whole Fleet of Alliance ships to kill one as well IIRC it was Shepard doing something in the Citadel that opened it up to damage?

 

But then again the Covenant have their Forerunner Dreadnought... That would Easily counter a Reaper.

 

I'm not sure what a Forerunner Dreadnought does, but yeah, Shepard managed to transmit a virus into Sovereign that cancelled its shields (the virus was given to him by a Protean avatar, hence why it worked). Also, because they're sentient and don't have to be piloted, Reapers have actually shown exceptional maneuvering in space; Sovereign was able to pull turns that (according to Joker) would have torn other large vessels in half.

[Guest ricrery]

Yes energy can be converted in reactions, but all energy is not the same (something doesn't convert if it's already in that state).

 

Weren't we talking about how every form of energy looks the same and causes the same damage if hurled at a sufficient velocity before you brought up this non-sequitur?

[Guest ricrery]

Yes it is and no you didn't.

 

[Hugo Fowl]

Hey, can I have some popcorn too? o.o

 

I'd love to see where this "schooling" from Ricrery came from.

 

*Passes the popcorn over to Jaeger*

[Skirmisher]

I'm not sure what a Forerunner Dreadnought does, but yeah, Shepard managed to transmit a virus into Sovereign that cancelled its shields (the virus was given to him by a Protean avatar, hence why it worked). Also, because they're sentient and don't have to be piloted, Reapers have actually shown exceptional maneuvering in space; Sovereign was able to pull turns that (according to Joker) would have torn other large vessels in half.

Well... the Forerunner Dreadnought was able to easily rip through all of Earths defenses (Due to Retcons everywhere I can't say What was left to rip through though...) and it's Hull alone can shrug off the firepower of a small fleet of UNSC warships, as if it were a small annoyance.

 

Also, IIRC it had some sort of Forerunner Energy Weapon that was implied to be Much Much more devastating than anything seen before.

[Guest ricrery]

As of now, it is clear that the ME side is infinitely stronger than the UNSC.

[Guest TheJ0ke]

Weren't we talking about how every form of energy looks the same and causes the same damage if hurled at a sufficient velocity before you brought up this non-sequitur?

Off topic? Hardly, I was simply pointing out your lapses of logic and seeming lack of a basic understanding of physics as evidenced by:

AHAHA. This is rich. Energy is the same no matter what. 1 kiloton of explosive energy is the same one 1 kiloton of kinetic energy. Kinetic energy would blow things upwards when it impacts it, such as here.

Are you paying attention? At a sufficient velocity, EVERYTHING has the same visual effect; an explosion. All the kinetic energy would get converted into heat and pressure which creates an explosion in the atmosphere, even if the shell is virtually indestructible.

You also never answered my question asking what you meant by that last part. I mean what atmosphere are you talking about?

 

As of now, it is clear that the ME side is infinitely stronger than the UNSC.

Explain.

[Guest TheJ0ke]

I'm no expert, but I'm assuming there's a reason both heat and kinetic energy can be measured in joules...

Well, aren't joules just SI units that show the amount of work done when an object moves 1 meter (with a force of 1 N applied)?

My point in that was that different types of energy are well... different.

[Guest ricrery]

Off topic? Hardly, I was simply pointing out your lapses of logic and seeming lack of a basic understanding of physics as evidenced by:

 

You also never answered my question asking what you meant by that last part. I mean what atmosphere are you talking about?

 

Jesus Christ, ARE YOU PAYING ATTENTION? Look at the part just before the bolded part in your second quote. AT A SUFFICIENT VELOCITY, EVERYTHING LOOKS AND BEHAVES THE SAME. At a sufficient velocity, kinetic energy converts into heat, which creates an EXPLOSION in the Earth's atmosphere.

 

Explain.

 

MACs that can't bring up water effortlessly cutting through Covenant Corvettes.

[Indolent]

Jesus Christ, can you just stay calm without losing it?

 

The same goes for Skir in advance of any of his next posts...

[Guest ricrery]

Jesus Christ, can you just stay calm without losing it?

 

The same goes for Skir in advance of any of his next posts...

 

But I'm winning the debate between Mass Effect and Halo

[Indolent]

Doesn't matter, common courtesy please. Thanks.

[Guest TheJ0ke]

Jesus Christ, ARE YOU PAYING ATTENTION? Look at the part just before the bolded part in your second quote. AT A SUFFICIENT VELOCITY, EVERYTHING LOOKS AND BEHAVES THE SAME. At a sufficient velocity, kinetic energy converts into heat, which creates an EXPLOSION in the Earth's atmosphere.

1. As JP said, cool it.

2. When did this become a battle above Earth?

3. Heh, I didn't see that part before the bolding. I was too focused on the part where you said that all energy is the same and my eyes jumped to the ALL CAPS WORD in your next post. Although in my defense, things don't necessarily look the same. Different particles produce different looking reactions.

 

Basically don't make sweeping statements that would seem to apply to everything (meaning avoid that term) when you really only mean a single instance.