Green Lantern Corp vs The Justice League

[Guest American Dragon]

Hal Jordan, Kyle Rayner, Guy Gardner, John Stewart & Alan Scott

vs

Superman, Flash(Wally West), Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter & Captain Marvel

[Guest Omega11]

Hal Jordan, Kyle Rayner, Guy Gardner, John Stewart & Alan Scott

vs

Superman, Flash(Wally West), Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter & Captain Marvel

 

I'd say the only fight up for grabs is the fight Flash is in, otherwise the Justice League dominates.

[Guest TheJ0ke]

I'd say the only fight up for grabs is the fight Flash is in, otherwise the Justice League dominates.

Why would the Flash's fight be up for grabs? All of the Flashes are easily as fast or faster than Superman, and Wally is the fastest of them. In fact, IIRC, he is the fastest being in the universe (certainly faster than any here by many multiples). If nothing else, this would make him all but impossible to hit and counter-attack against even for a GL.

[Guest sirmethos]

if anything the one that's "up for grabs" is Superman, since at least one of the Green Lanterns is capable of replicating Kryptonite radiation.

[Guest TheJ0ke]

if anything the one that's "up for grabs" is Superman, since at least one of the Green Lanterns is capable of replicating Kryptonite radiation.

Gah! Curse you lazy Silver Age writers!!!

[Guest Omega11]

Why would the Flash's fight be up for grabs? All of the Flashes are easily as fast or faster than Superman, and Wally is the fastest of them. In fact, IIRC, he is the fastest being in the universe (certainly faster than any here by many multiples). If nothing else, this would make him all but impossible to hit and counter-attack against even for a GL.

 

True, but the Green Lanterns can fly, thereby making them all but unhittable by the Flash also.

 

if anything the one that's "up for grabs" is Superman, since at least one of the Green Lanterns is capable of replicating Kryptonite radiation.

 

True, but I don't know if they're able to do it on their own. The only time I've seen it done, Martian Manhunter had to transfer the "formula" from Batman's mind into Kyle Rayner's. But even then, Superman is still capable of winning if he uses all of the powers he doesn't normally use.

[Guest TheJ0ke]

True, but the Green Lanterns can fly, thereby making them all but unhittable by the Flash also.

He's found ways around this before though. Either way though, Flash has nigh inexhaustible stamina while the GLs have normal human stamina. If nothing else, Wally should be able to outlast whoever he's fighting against.

 

True, but I don't know if they're able to do it on their own. The only time I've seen it done, Martian Manhunter had to transfer the "formula" from Batman's mind into Kyle Rayner's.

*Attempts to remove the terrible writing from the face of the Earth*

 

But even then, Superman is still capable of winning if he uses all of the powers he doesn't normally use.

Oh you mean the powers that he seemingly gains, forgets, remembers, and forgets again at random?

[Guest Omega11]

He's found ways around this before though. Either way though, Flash has nigh inexhaustible stamina while the GLs have normal human stamina. If nothing else, Wally should be able to outlast whoever he's fighting against.

 

But if Wally's just running around on the ground, and it basically a non-factor, the Green Lantern he's facing can be helping the other GL's.

 

*Attempts to remove the terrible writing from the face of the Earth*

 

Heh.

 

Oh you mean the powers that he seemingly gains, forgets, remembers, and forgets again at random?

 

*nods*

 

Yes, precisely those powers.

[Guest bigballerju]

Wally knows how his friend Kyle is so Wally would beat Kyle.

 

Superman I have always believed could beat Hal so he is down.

 

John Stewart is the one who comes up with powerful designs and doesn't mess around so he would beat Diana.

 

Guy would have no problem taking down Marvel since he is that damn good and experienced.

 

Alan is the Yoda of the Green Lanterns who would be the one good enough and smart enough to beat Martian Manhunter.

 

Lanterns win

[Guest Artemis Entreri]

No Batman?

 

Wow then my vote is for the Lanterns... Remeber they have Johh Steward and he is a strategic ace... Not to mention all the Lanterns have all at one time or another been on the JL teams giving them the edge in planning and preparation.

 

The first move for them (GL's) would be to take out MM first, due to his mental abilities. Then Flash would be put into a huge green bubbe and placed on a giant green hamster wheel... Superman would be keep at bay because being the "Boy Scout" he is , he'd be trying to reason with Hal and his other once JL friends... That is the diversion Hal would need to finish all the JL off saving Supes for last and then it's just him facing all the GL's alone!

[Guest bigballerju]

John Stewart once made a Mecha Warrior with that ring. LOL

 

You add in the Yoda or Mace of the Lanterns which is Alan......

 

The JLA lose

[Guest bigballerju]

John Stewart once made a Mecha Warrior with that ring. LOL

 

You add in the Yoda or Mace of the Lanterns which is Alan......

 

The JLA lose

[kainboa]

Flash uses his control over the speed force to completely immobilise the green lanterns, then his team mates can do what ever they want to them, giving Justice League the win.

[Guest sirmethos]

Flash uses his control over the speed force to completely immobilise the green lanterns, then his team mates can do what ever they want to them, giving Justice League the win.

 

not quite, they can still use the rings even while immobilized.

 

that means the JLA is still being mostly owned.

[Guest TheJ0ke]

No Batman?

 

Wow then my vote is for the Lanterns...

Sarcasm? If not then:

How would Batman's absence hurt the Justice League? If anything, it would help them as they'd no longer have someone on their team who would be unable to help and prove to be just a liability.

 

Remeber they have Johh Steward and he is a strategic ace... Not to mention all the Lanterns have all at one time or another been on the JL teams giving them the edge in planning and preparation.

1. I have no idea who this "Johh Steward" is, but I'm going to assume you mean John Stewart.

2. How would any of that give them a strategic or even tactical advantage? Certainly John is a good strategist, but so are all of the others. Not to mention that being on the JLA works both ways. They would know the League members' weaknesses as well as the JLA members know theirs.

 

The first move for them (GL's) would be to take out MM first, due to his mental abilities. Then Flash would be put into a huge green bubbe and placed on a giant green hamster wheel... Superman would be keep at bay because being the "Boy Scout" he is , he'd be trying to reason with Hal and his other once JL friends... That is the diversion Hal would need to finish all the JL off saving Supes for last and then it's just him facing all the GL's alone!

Please enlighten me, how would this work?

1. Would every single member on the JLA team suddenly decide to not move for no apparent reason?
   
2. Did the GLs somehow find a way to manipulate time?
   
3. Did all of the League members suddenly decide to just let all of the GLs team-up on them one at a time to be nice?
   
4. Why is Superman attempting to "reason" with Hal (a trait he rarely exhibits), and going along with this logic, why is he the only one doing so?
   
5. How would this strange combination of a "huge green bubbe" and "giant green hamster wheel" preventing Wally from escaping (via vibration or just a sheer number of blows)?
   
6. Finally and most importantly, where the hell did WW and Captain Marvel go?!? Was there a sudden poof of green smoke that somehow made them disappear or something?
   

[Guest TheJ0ke]

But if Wally's just running around on the ground, and it basically a non-factor, the Green Lantern he's facing can be helping the other GL's.

Hmm, well there is always vortex creation and vaulting/ramps...

[Guest Artemis Entreri]

Okay The Joke, that post was extremely entertaining. Especially the "Bubbe" comment! Lmao!

Aside your questions were answered and you chose to ignore them. John Stewart(My Bad) is a military minded man and born leader. He is intelligent enough to know a straight up fight against his former team and powerhouses is a No No!

 

Then it's the Batman issue... Batman, a liability? C'Mon man. Batman would serve as JLA leader and exploit the GL's weaknesses. He would be the smartest and most prepared person in the fight... Or in any fight for that matter. He would give Any team he's on the edge.

 

As for Superman trying to reason with his former friends and all around good guys...? Yeah, it's what he does. It's a known weakness of his and Hal would exploit it. Supes is a "Boy Scout" and holds back in mainly every fight.

 

Wally West could use vibration or Punches to break in Green Bubble (Once again funny) but their are five very powerful Lanterns that could keep him busy until the others are finished off.

 

Wonder Woman and Captain Marvel vs. John Stewart, Alan Scot, or Kal (Any two at one time while the third hold Flash in the Bubble contraption) yes this can be accomplished quite easily. Both Cap and WW like up close and personal, hand to hand combat. The GL's will fight from a far where their powers give them the advantage.

 

Hal being the most powerful of the GL's could hold Supes off until the others JLA are defeated and then it's five on one. After Wally is Space Dumped Supes is finished! Win for the Gl's... It's simple!

[Guest TheJ0ke]

John Stewart(My Bad) is a military minded man and born leader. He is intelligent enough to know a straight up fight against his former team and powerhouses is a No No!

True, but that's not exactly a brilliant deduction worthy of Sherlock Holmes now is it? I'd expect just about everyone to know that. Besides, that still doesn't explain how his brilliant tactics would lead the GLs to victory.

 

Then it's the Batman issue... Batman, a liability? C'Mon man. Batman would serve as JLA leader and exploit the GL's weaknesses. He would be the smartest and most prepared person in the fight... Or in any fight for that matter. He would give Any team he's on the edge.

As awesome as Bruce is, he simply would not be able to do very much in this fight. He's just outclassed here. I mean, he could have all the "prep time" in the world, but that still wouldn't necessarily mean he could beat someone on Superman's level. The only possible way he could do that is by exploiting a huge weakness (i.e. Superman and kryptonite), and the Lanterns simply don't have any like that.

 

As for Superman trying to reason with his former friends and all around good guys...? Yeah, it's what he does. It's a known weakness of his and Hal would exploit it. Supes is a "Boy Scout" and holds back in mainly every fight.

1. We don't know the context of this fight, so we can't accurately say whether or not he would feel like "reasoning" with them.

2. Despite his "boy scout" and "brawler" image, Supes is actually pretty smart and [usually] knows when it's a time to talk, and when it's a time to fight.

[Guest TheJ0ke]

(Continued from previous post, apparently I exceeded the alloted quoted text)

Wally West could use vibration or Punches to break in Green Bubble (Once again funny) but their are five very powerful Lanterns that could keep him busy until the others are finished off.

No idea what you were trying to say into that part about Wally and the mysterious "Green Bubble" (gee that sounds like the title of a cheesy book), so I'll let you clarify it before giving a rebuttal. So I'll move onto the second part of that:

Again, you seem to be forgetting that just because you are only focusing on one person doesn't mean that all the others disappear. Certainly one of the GLs could try and keep Wally in a bubble, but there would still be four others the GLs would need to fight off. For some reason, you seem to be under the impression that all five Lanterns can "keep him busy" while five other Lanterns "finish off" the other four League members. In case you haven't noticed, that math doesn't exactly work. There are five members on each team, so if all the GLs focus just on keeping Wally imprisoned, that leaves whopping total of ZERO Lanterns to take care of Superman, WW, J'onn, and CM.

 

Wonder Woman and Captain Marvel vs. John Stewart, Alan Scot, or Kal (Any two at one time while the third hold Flash in the Bubble contraption) yes this can be accomplished quite easily. Both Cap and WW like up close and personal, hand to hand combat. The GL's will fight from a far where their powers give them the advantage.

I have no idea what the heck you said there. I got that you were saying something about two GLs fighting WW and CM while another goes off to fight Flash and that was about it. I'm not sure what you point was in saying "Both Cap and WW like up close and personal, hand to hand combat" or how it gives the GLs the advantage. Then, perhaps most confusingly, you say "Wonder Woman and Captain Marvel vs. John Stewart, Alan Scot, or Kal" at the beginning. Am I to understand from this that WW and Cap would be held off by any combination of John, Alan, or Superman (Kal-El)? Or did you mean Hal? If the latter was the case, how the heck is he in two places at once? Wasn't he supposed to be "holding off the onslaught of Superman's 'boy scout' reasoning"?

 

Hal being the most powerful of the GL's could hold Supes off until the others JLA are defeated and then it's five on one. After Wally is Space Dumped Supes is finished! Win for the Gl's... It's simple!

Erm wait what? I realize that the GLs are incredible fighters, but last time I checked Supes could break through most ring constructs and move faster than they can think (that last part goes exponentially more for Wally). So explain these things to me to clarify this part:

• How do all of the other JLA members somehow get defeated?
  
• How does Hal "hold Supes off" until all the other JLA members are defeated (as stated earlier, an unlikely occurrence)?
  
• How does Wally get space dumped?
  
• Where the hell is J'onn in all of this?
  

[Guest Artemis Entreri]

Okay this is getting redundant about now.

 

The Joke, I get you want the JLA to win; and hell, maybe they could. But I just laid out a very sound scenerio for you and you just ignore the logic or take jabs at my typo's (As it is very early in the morn or late at night, depending on your view, and I'm rather tired). Anyway the "Green Bubble" to which seems to give you a brain freeze, is simply a GL force projection bubble used to either sheild unprotected civilians are teammates or use to contain something or some one... It also can be use for Space Dumps.

 

Kal (again my bad) i was referring to was actual Kyle Rayner, but I'm sure you knew that. I also know that only five GL's are fighting. But to illustrate my point...

 

John Stewart coordinates the fight. First hitting MM fast and hard.

 

Next, Kyle destracts Wally as John and Guy trap Wally and space dump him using the "Green Bubble" (thought you'd like that part).

 

Hal enages Supes and makes up some cheesy rhetoric about how the JLA is in violation of the GL code. Superman in turns (All while the two half heartedly fight one another. Superman hoping to talk his friend down and come to more civil terms. Hal just using the ruse to keep Supes attention from helping his friends until the GL's have the JLA defeated.) Then it's just Superman verses five GL's...

 

Alan draws WW and Marvels's fire until the help comes. Forcing the two JLA's to chase him. Once Wally is floating in space and MM is unconscious, Alan, Kyle, John, and Guy overwhelm WW and CM then turn their colective attentions to Superman.

 

That is how it would work in my estimation. It's comics it could go eitherway. But as I stated before the GL's are better suited because of the strategist they have on hand. John previous combat experience in the military would give the GL's a key advantage.

 

Supes okay as a leader but MM is far better. That is why the GL's would hit MM first. As I stated Batman on the JLA's side would swing my vote toward the JLA's side. But ths is my opinon, you are more than welcomed to your own. I've collected comics for 27 years and I unstand more than most, that fights like these come down to One element and only one... The writers.

 

Nice debate The Joke, but I'm going to bed now. Good day.

[Guest sirmethos]

ok, there are a few points that i feel the need to address:

 

As awesome as Bruce is, he simply would not be able to do very much in this fight. He's just outclassed here. I mean, he could have all the "prep time" in the world, but that still wouldn't necessarily mean he could beat someone on Superman's level. The only possible way he could do that is by exploiting a huge weakness (i.e. Superman and kryptonite), and the Lanterns simply don't have any like that.

 

wrong

1. it has been stated that Batman has plans to take down every single member of the JLA incase any of them ever go 'bad'. that includes the Green Lanterns

2. most of the Green Lanterns in this match still have the weakness against Yellow. which is something that Batman can and will exploit.

 

 

 

Hal being the most powerful of the GL's could hold Supes off until the others JLA are defeated and then it's five on one. After Wally is Space Dumped Supes is finished! Win for the Gl's... It's simple!

 

why do people keep insisting that Hal is the most powerful of the GL's? if anything it's John Stewart or Kyle Rayner that's the most powerful.

 

Kyle Rayner: being an artist has an extremely active and vivid imagination, which is one of the greatest weapons for a GL

John Stewart: has without a doubt, the most powerful willpower of the GL's. at one point John's willpower has actually been shown to Exceed the rings capabilities. something that no other Green Lantern has done.

[Guest TheJ0ke]

wrong

1. it has been stated that Batman has plans to take down every single member of the JLA incase any of them ever go 'bad'. that includes the Green Lanterns

2. most of the Green Lanterns in this match still have the weakness against Yellow. which is something that Batman can and will exploit.

1. I am well aware that Batman has multiple contingency plans to take down every member of the JLA. However, as smart and skilled as Bruce is, I honestly don't see how Bruce could do much here unless he brings all the gear he has in the Batcave with him.

2. Just to clarify something, it's not really the color yellow that the GLs have a slight weakness to. It's the fear that yellow represents. This weakness is something that's really only a problem for new recruits, and none of the GLs here are rookies. To my knowledge, none of the corps members present have any particular vulnerabilities to fear so I fail to see how Batman would be able to really use this against them. Alan Scott, on the other hand, is a different matter entirely. IIRC, he has a weakness to plant matter (particularly wood). This is something that Batman would be able to exploit in any realistic situation, so I'll concede Alan.

 

However, this is all irrelevant since Batman is not present.

[Guest ribbonz]

Superman wins by himself... Anyone have Red Son (The book)?

[Guest bigballerju]

Currently no Green Lanterns in the Corps have a weakness to yellow which was done in another arc so why do people keep saying that. DC made it very clear that was the case. Also Green Lanterns can kill and will do it if it needs to be done.

 

Batman wouldn't be able to do anything and thats why he isn't in this match.

 

No the JLA would not beat

 

John Stewart, Alan Scott, and Hal Jordan.

 

Throw that Superman solo crap out the window because I hate when people use it in every match. Superman wouldn't solo here at all.

[Guest Omega11]

Okay this is getting redundant about now.

 

The Joke, I get you want the JLA to win; and hell, maybe they could. But I just laid out a very sound scenerio for you and you just ignore the logic or take jabs at my typo's (As it is very early in the morn or late at night, depending on your view, and I'm rather tired). Anyway the "Green Bubble" to which seems to give you a brain freeze, is simply a GL force projection bubble used to either sheild unprotected civilians are teammates or use to contain something or some one... It also can be use for Space Dumps.

 

Kal (again my bad) i was referring to was actual Kyle Rayner, but I'm sure you knew that. I also know that only five GL's are fighting. But to illustrate my point...

 

John Stewart coordinates the fight. First hitting MM fast and hard.

 

Next, Kyle destracts Wally as John and Guy trap Wally and space dump him using the "Green Bubble" (thought you'd like that part).

 

Hal enages Supes and makes up some cheesy rhetoric about how the JLA is in violation of the GL code. Superman in turns (All while the two half heartedly fight one another. Superman hoping to talk his friend down and come to more civil terms. Hal just using the ruse to keep Supes attention from helping his friends until the GL's have the JLA defeated.) Then it's just Superman verses five GL's...

 

Alan draws WW and Marvels's fire until the help comes. Forcing the two JLA's to chase him. Once Wally is floating in space and MM is unconscious, Alan, Kyle, John, and Guy overwhelm WW and CM then turn their colective attentions to Superman.

 

That is how it would work in my estimation. It's comics it could go eitherway. But as I stated before the GL's are better suited because of the strategist they have on hand. John previous combat experience in the military would give the GL's a key advantage.

 

Supes okay as a leader but MM is far better. That is why the GL's would hit MM first. As I stated Batman on the JLA's side would swing my vote toward the JLA's side. But ths is my opinon, you are more than welcomed to your own. I've collected comics for 27 years and I unstand more than most, that fights like these come down to One element and only one... The writers.

 

It's true what you say about the writers deciding the fights, and the circumstances you've outlined could happen, but I find it highly unlikely.

 

The worst argument you made was that Stewart takes out Manhunter "fast and hard".

 

First of all, every member of the Justice League here is capable of moving and reacting at much higher speeds than any of the Green Lanterns, which makes any argument of the Lanterns taking them out "fast" laughable.

 

Secondly, Martian Manhunter is psychic. He might just know they're trying to target him.

 

Thirdly, Manhunter is extremely durable, malleable(shape shifter), and can turn invisible and intangible. Taking him out is not a simple matter.

 

Also, the point about the Green Lantern's having an advantage because Stewart has a military background is not really an advantage when you consider the fact that Wonder Woman is an amazon, and has a similar background, except that she's been in the "military" her whole life.

 

And then there's the fact that the Justice League will be coordinating with their thoughts as opposed to spoken words, making their teamwork more seamless and eliminating the possibility of their opponents hearing their tactics and countering them.

 

Simply put, if the Justice League is at all serious in this fight, they are going to win.