Guest Artemis Entreri Posted November 19, 2010 Share Posted November 19, 2010 It's true what you say about the writers deciding the fights, and the circumstances you've outlined could happen, but I find it highly unlikely. The worst argument you made was that Stewart takes out Manhunter "fast and hard". First of all, every member of the Justice League here is capable of moving and reacting at much higher speeds than any of the Green Lanterns, which makes any argument of the Lanterns taking them out "fast" laughable. Secondly, Martian Manhunter is psychic. He might just know they're trying to target him. Thirdly, Manhunter is extremely durable, malleable(shape shifter), and can turn invisible and intangible. Taking him out is not a simple matter. Also, the point about the Green Lantern's having an advantage because Stewart has a military background is not really an advantage when you consider the fact that Wonder Woman is an amazon, and has a similar background, except that she's been in the "military" her whole life. And then there's the fact that the Justice League will be coordinating with their thoughts as opposed to spoken words, making their teamwork more seamless and eliminating the possibility of their opponents hearing their tactics and countering them. Simply put, if the Justice League is at all serious in this fight, they are going to win. Omega, you misread what I said. I know my last post sounded like I stated Stewart would take MM out but that is not the case. If you'e read my first post I clearly stated that ALL the GL's hit J'onnz fast and hard in order to stop the martian from mentally linking with the other JLA's and coordinating and attack. Second, yes WW is an Amazon but what does that mean? She has always been a tactical H2H fighter not thinker and strategist. Not saying she could not be... Just saying I never saw her use it in battle. She's a female powerhouse slugger plain and simple. I never said the JLA could not win... What I said was that in my scenerio (That I think is highly likely) the GL's would win. The edge to them coming in the leaderhip department. That was why I argued Batman would edge the win to JLA if he were around. But for arguement's sake, I believe the winner would hedge on which team had the intiative! That's fair! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Man Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 Just keep this in mind: 1. Manhunter's psychic powers are literally worthless against the Lanterns. They have a built in defense against it. 2. Look, if the Lanterns did get Flash into a bubble, why would they just wait around? If anything, they would throw him into space or break his legs. Anything. 3. Since this fight's going to be in the air, Flash wouldn't really factor in. A ramp? What would that even do? If anything, his best chance is throwing things at superfast speed. Even then, a simple GL shield would block anything short of a missile. 4. Weakness to yellow? Has anyone read a GL comic in the last ten to fifteen years? They're over that. 5. Hal is the Green Lantern. The only reason John supposedly "outwilled his ring" is cause he tried to do something really crazy (Recreate a planet? That's crazy!). Sure, he had the will to do it, but that doesn't mean he's got the strongest one. Hal on the other hand, that guy has done everything a GL can. In fact, way back in the weird Parallax story, who kicked the entire GL Corps around? Who later became the host of the Spectre? Who reignited the sun?! Who came back from the death? Who was the a rainbow lantern?! Meh. Also, Alan is not the Yoda of the lanterns. He's honorary lantern on good days, and getting knocked around by wood on the bad ones. Kyle is a great lantern, but he's not Hal. As for John, yeah, he's a great lantern, his architect background is really made for the GL corps, but he's been second chair for a long time. Hal is... The Lantern... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dark Ranger X Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 5. Kyle is the Green Lantern. The only reason John supposedly "outwilled his ring" is cause he tried to do something really crazy (Recreate a planet? That's crazy!). Sure, he had the will to do it, but that doesn't mean he's got the strongest one. Kyle on the other hand, that guy has done everything a GL can, and then some. Unlike Hal, when Kyle was at his lowest he didn't feel the need to kill the entire GL corps, and also unlike Hal, Kyle has tasted supreme godhood as Ion Prime and willingly gave it away so that the GL corps could be restarted. Kyle is... The Lantern... Fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Man Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 Grr... Team Hal forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dark Ranger X Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 Grr... Team Hal forever. Were you a member of HEAT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Man Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 Were you a member of HEAT?Heh. Sadly no. However, if I could go back, I would so join. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dark Ranger X Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 Heh. Sadly no. However, if I could go back, I would so join. Nah, because then you'd be known as a whiner who caused one of comics most likable characters to get thrown into the background simply because you didn't like what DC did with Hal. You wouldn't want that at all...would you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Man Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 Bah. It was Kyle who tried to replace Hal. Not the other way around... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Omega11 Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 Omega, you misread what I said. I know my last post sounded like I stated Stewart would take MM out but that is not the case. If you'e read my first post I clearly stated that ALL the GL's hit J'onnz fast and hard in order to stop the martian from mentally linking with the other JLA's and coordinating and attack. Well even so, my points on how it would likely fail still stand. Even more so because they're all taking their attentions away from Superman, Wonder Woman, and Captain Marvel, who will all rush to Manhunter's aid super fast and super hard. Second, yes WW is an Amazon but what does that mean? She has always been a tactical H2H fighter not thinker and strategist. Not saying she could not be... Just saying I never saw her use it in battle. She's a female powerhouse slugger plain and simple. She's as much of a "general" as Stewart is. She's a leader of the amazon armies, as well as a leader in the Justice League. And there's also the fact that Captain Marvel possesses "the wisdom of Solomon". Besides, even if Stewart were the tactical genius you make him out to be, it would avail him naught against foes so grossly overpowering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest force_echo Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 Jon Stewart has easily dispatched MM before. Hal Jordan has beaten the entire Justice League by himself, and Paragon when he had the powers of the entire Justice League (including strength that was 2 times Superman's and Wonder Woman's COMBINED). Superman? Come on people, even freaking KILOWOG has beaten Superman before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigballerju Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 Hal when he has beaten the Justice League has never just done it with his regular powers from the Green Lantern ring and of his own free will. He either was Parallax or something else. Kilowog is a veteran of the Green Lantern Corps and has more experience then all four human Lanterns combined. I agree that Manhunter can be beaten by Jon Stewart because Stewart was a architect and a top U.S. Marine. Those two right there made him a hell of a Green Lantern and he is one of the best Lanterns because of that. He is the Lantern out of all the humans who made contructs that would do serious damage. Jon made mech warrior suits, futuristic type weapons, transformer type contructs, and more that took down powerful foes. Guy Gardner people forgot helped rebuild the Green Lantern Corps when it was completely gone. Hal Jordan is the best Lantern of all time which has been said many times in the Green Lantern comics because he has the most will power, no fear, and is the most skilled. Kyle is the one who actually had to fight the Justice league one time in Grant Morrison's run for some reason and did well. Kyle wasn't controlled by Parallax or anything like that. Kyle may be the most creative Lantern but he isn't the most skilled like Hal or even Jon. Alan Scott was the original Green Lantern before Hal and has more experience then all of the human Green Lanterns. He was a founding member of the Justice Society and has more experience as well as skill then the Justice League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest force_echo Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 Hal when he has beaten the Justice League has never just done it with his regular powers from the Green Lantern ring and of his own free will. He either was Parallax or something else. Kilowog is a veteran of the Green Lantern Corps and has more experience then all four human Lanterns combined. I agree that Manhunter can be beaten by Jon Stewart because Stewart was a architect and a top U.S. Marine. Those two right there made him a hell of a Green Lantern and he is one of the best Lanterns because of that. He is the Lantern out of all the humans who made contructs that would do serious damage. Jon made mech warrior suits, futuristic type weapons, transformer type contructs, and more that took down powerful foes. Guy Gardner people forgot helped rebuild the Green Lantern Corps when it was completely gone. Hal Jordan is the best Lantern of all time which has been said many times in the Green Lantern comics because he has the most will power, no fear, and is the most skilled. Kyle is the one who actually had to fight the Justice league one time in Grant Morrison's run for some reason and did well. Kyle wasn't controlled by Parallax or anything like that. Kyle may be the most creative Lantern but he isn't the most skilled like Hal or even Jon. Alan Scott was the original Green Lantern before Hal and has more experience then all of the human Green Lanterns. He was a founding member of the Justice Society and has more experience as well as skill then the Justice League.No, Hal beat the entire JL and Paragon with just himself. He wasn't under Parallax's influence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indolent Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 Oi, it seemed to be more than just one planet that Stewart tried to create: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest force_echo Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 An insane Jon Stewart took down the entire JL also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigballerju Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 Well I guess that further drives the point JLA lose. I already said Green Lanterns would win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Omega11 Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 An insane Jon Stewart took down the entire JL also. Well in that scenario the Justice League would hardly be giving it all for fear of hurting their friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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